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yakatar *
Joined: 13 Nov 2007 Posts: 45 Location: Pontypool, South Wales
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 13:03 Post subject: 2.8 and 3.1 Flywheels |
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As it looks like the box on my 2.8 Frontera is gonna have to come out, gonna get rid of the dual mass flywheel and fit a Trooper one.
I know the 2.8 Trooper flywheel will fit but have seen a few posts that suggest the Trooper 3.1 and 2.8 flywheels are interchangeable, anyone know for sure |
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dxmedia *******
Joined: 04 Mar 2007 Posts: 4677 Location: Hope Valley
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 13:04 Post subject: |
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Matski's the guy for this one I think... _________________ For great insurance deals on 4x4s, imports and more, contact Adrian Flux :
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:::Matski::: Lifetime member
Joined: 27 Dec 2005 Posts: 5181 Location: York
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 14:43 Post subject: |
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Provided it's not the duel mass one they are identical. _________________ Front Aussie Locker - Rear LSD - Petrol Diffs
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yakatar *
Joined: 13 Nov 2007 Posts: 45 Location: Pontypool, South Wales
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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 0:13 Post subject: |
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:::Matski::: wrote: |
Provided it's not the duel mass one they are identical. |
Coolio, thanks for the info |
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rangielover ****
Joined: 17 Jul 2006 Posts: 276 Location: West wales
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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 8:38 Post subject: |
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No they are not identical
I have a 2.8 and 3.1 solid flywheel in my garage
diameter and fitting are the same 8 bolt holes etc
the only difference is where the clutch plate fits
the 3.1 is machined out more to take a 250mm plate
the 2.8 is only machined to take a 240mm plate
the frontera 2.8 flywheel is identical to the dual mass fitted to the 3.0 DOHC TDI trooper.
If you are converting a dual mass flywheel off a frontera to solid flywheel it is easy
Fit either a 2.8 / 3.1 solid fly
Throw away the alloy gearbox spacer
shorten the rear frontera solid prop by 2 inches
use a trooper 2.8 front axle or a frontera 2.3/2.4 front axle.
dont forget the gearbox wont fit unless you remove the two locating pins on the top of the engine they are locaters for the adapter plate. |
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:::Matski::: Lifetime member
Joined: 27 Dec 2005 Posts: 5181 Location: York
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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 9:46 Post subject: |
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Ok I have a 2.8 clutch on a 3.1 lump but a 2.8 fly.
All the fixings are the same and they look identical but you say the 3.1 fly has a 10mm bigger surface? Are you sure? the 2.8 fly may have been big enough to take the bigger 3.1 clutch...Only 5mm a side so to speak. _________________ Front Aussie Locker - Rear LSD - Petrol Diffs
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rangielover ****
Joined: 17 Jul 2006 Posts: 276 Location: West wales
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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 10:37 Post subject: |
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they are definitely machined out larger, the depth of the plate and everything else is the same |
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:::Matski::: Lifetime member
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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 11:02 Post subject: |
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Ok, never knew that. _________________ Front Aussie Locker - Rear LSD - Petrol Diffs
2" Lift - 1" Body lift - +2" shocks - 32" KL71s
2.5" free flow stainless system - TMIC - 20psi Boost
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rangielover ****
Joined: 17 Jul 2006 Posts: 276 Location: West wales
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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 11:16 Post subject: |
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if i take a photo tonight, can someone upload it to this thread? |
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:::Matski::: Lifetime member
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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 12:33 Post subject: |
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Yes send it me at matt @ esphotoghraphy.co.uk without the spaces.
BTW I believe you _________________ Front Aussie Locker - Rear LSD - Petrol Diffs
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K.Goodwin Lifetime member
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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 18:31 Post subject: |
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i don't, get me a picture!
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jonkem ******
Joined: 11 Jun 2005 Posts: 883 Location: Bedfordshire, UK
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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 22:08 Post subject: |
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rangielover wrote: |
No they are not identical
I have a 2.8 and 3.1 solid flywheel in my garage
diameter and fitting are the same 8 bolt holes etc
the only difference is where the clutch plate fits
the 3.1 is machined out more to take a 250mm plate
the 2.8 is only machined to take a 240mm plate
the frontera 2.8 flywheel is identical to the dual mass fitted to the 3.0 DOHC TDI trooper.
If you are converting a dual mass flywheel off a frontera to solid flywheel it is easy
Fit either a 2.8 / 3.1 solid fly
Throw away the alloy gearbox spacer
shorten the rear frontera solid prop by 2 inches
use a trooper 2.8 front axle or a frontera 2.3/2.4 front axle.
dont forget the gearbox wont fit unless you remove the two locating pins on the top of the engine they are locaters for the adapter plate. |
????????
The car should already have a 3.1 gearbox because it is a 2.8 Frontera not a Trooper. The 3.1 flywheel should match perfectly with the engine and gearbox in the car, alternatively just fit a 2.8 flywheel with a 2.8 clutch.
Why talk about changing axles?
If the gearbox is knackered simply change it for a 3.1 gearbox there is no need to do anything to the axles.
Having done quite a few Frontera and Trooper transplants, I think you may be confusing leaf & coil sprung Fronteras which use different axle pinion protrusions, different gearboxes and different propshaft lengths. There are also differences between long and short wheelbases and not just propshaft lengths! _________________ 1994 KZJ70 Cruiser (currently filling the garage and causing some head scratching)
1988 MKI 3.1td Hybrid Van (Ex Bobtail)
1991 SWB Fronty 2.8td Hybrid
2000 Astra Estate (work)
2006 VXR Astra
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dxmedia *******
Joined: 04 Mar 2007 Posts: 4677 Location: Hope Valley
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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 22:12 Post subject: |
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I'm getting confused on this post.
Do the 3.1 2.8 and 2.8 frontera have the same box? _________________ For great insurance deals on 4x4s, imports and more, contact Adrian Flux :
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jonkem ******
Joined: 11 Jun 2005 Posts: 883 Location: Bedfordshire, UK
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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 22:20 Post subject: |
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3.1 Trooper and 2.8 Frontera NOT 2.8 Trooper.
You Chris, out of anyone, being a Muman, should know that a 2.8 Frontera is virtually a 3.1 Trooper _________________ 1994 KZJ70 Cruiser (currently filling the garage and causing some head scratching)
1988 MKI 3.1td Hybrid Van (Ex Bobtail)
1991 SWB Fronty 2.8td Hybrid
2000 Astra Estate (work)
2006 VXR Astra
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dxmedia *******
Joined: 04 Mar 2007 Posts: 4677 Location: Hope Valley
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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 22:22 Post subject: |
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jonkem wrote: |
3.1 Trooper and 2.8 Frontera NOT 2.8 Trooper.
You Chris, out of anyone, being a Muman, should know that a 2.8 Frontera is virtually a 3.1 Trooper |
So what's the difference between the 2.8 trooper and 3.1 trooper box?
Hasn't Matt got a 3.1 on a 2.8 box? _________________ For great insurance deals on 4x4s, imports and more, contact Adrian Flux :
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