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bg trooper ***
Joined: 26 Aug 2014 Posts: 135 Location: Bulgaria
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Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 10:29 Post subject: only starts with a short tow. |
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Well if any one has come across this problem I would be glad for some advice. I have the 3ltr trooper, with the 4jx1 engine, turbo diesel. I have fitted new glow plugs and a new ORPS, also changed both oil filters today and fill it up with fully synth 5/30 oil.From one of the posts, it read that it would take a lot of cranking to start up with both filters being changed.I got fed up with cranking for fear of burning out the starter motor.With a very short tow,about 20 feet she fired up and goes a treat. There allways has been a slight blue smoke when I make her work hard but nothing else I can see.Any advice please?Thanks. |
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eithan h Moderator
Joined: 11 Dec 2005 Posts: 8195 Location: oxfordish
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Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 20:53 Post subject: |
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for what issue the cranking or the blue smoke? |
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bg trooper ***
Joined: 26 Aug 2014 Posts: 135 Location: Bulgaria
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 5:36 Post subject: wont start from cold |
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Hi Eithan, my post was probably a bit misleading. The car will only start with a cold engine with a short tow.Once it has run for just a few mins, it will start with the ignition key.? It does smoke a little, I just woundered if this was to do with the problem.The car runs well, once I can get it started in the morning with a tow.Any ideas please. |
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Gribble *******
Joined: 11 Oct 2007 Posts: 8448 Location: Holset H221W
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 7:58 Post subject: |
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Sounds like it's a speed of cranking over issue. The 3.0 needs a good spin over to fire up like 200 rpm and it's normally due to a poor or weak battery. _________________ 2 New Troopers ! |
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bg trooper ***
Joined: 26 Aug 2014 Posts: 135 Location: Bulgaria
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 12:14 Post subject: only cold starts with a tow |
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Thanks Gribble, I will check the batteries, they were purchased this march and they are 95amph, perhaps they need a charge. |
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bg trooper ***
Joined: 26 Aug 2014 Posts: 135 Location: Bulgaria
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 14:41 Post subject: only starts with a short tow |
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Thanks Gribble, I have checked the batteries.I have 12.9 volts on both batteries, They are 12v 91ah 740a. This doesent mean much to me , but I think they should be ok?What do you think? |
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Red Robbo Lifetime member
Joined: 17 Feb 2008 Posts: 4129 Location: Where ever I happen to be in my imagination but mainly Far East Sussex
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 16:17 Post subject: |
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Hi BG This is for Gribble & Eithan....
I know it's defying logic ....Wouldn't be anything to do with the crank sensor would it _________________ Khotso........... |
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bg trooper ***
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 17:21 Post subject: only starts with a short tow |
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Hi Red Robo, Well you mention the crank sensor? I guess I must have one somewhere? Where would I find this.I need to read posts on the crank sensor. Thanks for that info , I will have a good read. |
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eithan h Moderator
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 17:31 Post subject: |
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It could be if it's only registering some of the rpm on cranking but all of them during the tow due to the higher speed |
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Gribble *******
Joined: 11 Oct 2007 Posts: 8448 Location: Holset H221W
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 17:34 Post subject: |
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Batteries are fine at that have you got any way of measuring how fast the crank pulleys turning when cranking ?
Glowplugs and circuit all ok ?
Robbo - do go on I'm curious . _________________ 2 New Troopers ! |
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bg trooper ***
Joined: 26 Aug 2014 Posts: 135 Location: Bulgaria
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 17:49 Post subject: only starts with a short tow |
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Well I have no idea of how to measure how fast the engine is cranking and probably don't have the equipment to do that.Have new glow plugs. and the circuits I would not have a clue? |
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Gribble *******
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 18:47 Post subject: |
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When you tow start does it the moment you pop the clutch and run clean of white smoke a bit ?
Glowplug circuits easy ,swap the two black relays in the box nearest the brake servo .If the car wont crank over the glow relays had it . _________________ 2 New Troopers ! |
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Gribble *******
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 18:48 Post subject: |
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When you tow start does it the moment you pop the clutch and run clean of white smoke a bit ?
?? I meant does it start the moment you pop the clutch and run clean or white smoke a bit ? _________________ 2 New Troopers ! |
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Red Robbo Lifetime member
Joined: 17 Feb 2008 Posts: 4129 Location: Where ever I happen to be in my imagination but mainly Far East Sussex
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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 7:22 Post subject: |
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Gribble wrote: |
Batteries are fine at that have you got any way of measuring how fast the crank pulleys turning when cranking ?
Glowplugs and circuit all ok ?
Robbo - do go on I'm curious . |
Popping the clutch......bit of shock crank sensor re-aligns ? _________________ Khotso........... |
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bg trooper ***
Joined: 26 Aug 2014 Posts: 135 Location: Bulgaria
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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 8:21 Post subject: only starts with a short tow |
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Well! I have a development. This morning I could not get a tow, so just kept cranking it over and It started!! It did smoke a bit. Blue smoke and smelt a bit of smoke and diesel. After running for 5 mins as usual off I went to work.????. I shall try swapping over the 2 black relays as you suggested, which will be tomorrow morning when she has stood all night.I suspect it may be running a bit rich after the new orps was fitted. But still cant find a tech 2 out here so it will have to wait. |
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