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jacksdad1963 *******
Joined: 26 Jul 2011 Posts: 1939 Location: Oldham, Lancs
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Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2015 22:57 Post subject: 3.0 starter motor problems |
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My 3.0 trooper broke down again, but since I've been trying to get it going, the starter motor has 'stuck'
I charged up both batteries, over 13V in each, but when I turn the key nothing happens, but I can hear the starter spinning. I've finally got the damn thing out, what a battle!
The motor looks ok, the solenoid is working, but the clutch and gear parts were very stiff, and bone dry. I've sprayed Duck Oil on everything and its all working properly once again: the wheel that engages the flywheel is moving well, and the clutch is grabbing the shaft at the end of its travel and holding, until I turn it in the opposite direction, when it lets it spin....if you know how these work, that should make sense!
I've never had a single problem with the starter before this, so would it be safe to assume its ok to re-fit, now it appears to be working?
I'm not looking forward to re-fitting it, and then I've got to fix the original fault _________________ 1999 3.0 TD Duty SWB
3" Body lift, 3" suspension lift, diff dropped, balljoints flipped, extended panhard, Tree sliders, Superwinch, +2" Pro Comps, 33" Mudders: Nearly finished! |
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jacksdad1963 *******
Joined: 26 Jul 2011 Posts: 1939 Location: Oldham, Lancs
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Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2015 18:16 Post subject: |
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Starter cleaned and rebuilt, seems to be working once again
I've dropped the sump today, oil pickups both in the right places...was hoping to find a broken one!
The short one is the injector one I think, the strainer was nice and clean. The long one though, was almost blocked! The sumps been off before, as shown by the excess grey sealant everywhere, including in the second pickup strainer. It was clogged with cotton like 'fluff'....I remember when I rebuilt the head, I turned the engine over to check all was well, and a rag got fed into the camshafts and shredded a bit, I thought I'd cleaned out every bit, abviously not
After 4 years use, I've noticed a drop in oil pressure, on the gauge, so maybe it was a real issue, even though its always ran perfectly: just shows how even a minor issue can cause follow-on problems
So, still not found any faults yet, can only think of the crank sensor.....or....the ROPS the lads fitted for me at the BB...I really hope its not failed already _________________ 1999 3.0 TD Duty SWB
3" Body lift, 3" suspension lift, diff dropped, balljoints flipped, extended panhard, Tree sliders, Superwinch, +2" Pro Comps, 33" Mudders: Nearly finished! |
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jacksdad1963 *******
Joined: 26 Jul 2011 Posts: 1939 Location: Oldham, Lancs
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 17:28 Post subject: |
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New fault!
Starter pinion clutch is slipping. Not every time, but I'm not risking re-fitting it, as its such a damned awkward job!
I've recorded a short vid showing the problem, plus got lots of piccies, should I make a 'how-to' of the job? _________________ 1999 3.0 TD Duty SWB
3" Body lift, 3" suspension lift, diff dropped, balljoints flipped, extended panhard, Tree sliders, Superwinch, +2" Pro Comps, 33" Mudders: Nearly finished! |
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jacksdad1963 *******
Joined: 26 Jul 2011 Posts: 1939 Location: Oldham, Lancs
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Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2015 17:50 Post subject: |
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I gave the clutch a good clean, it was working perfectly. Bench tested it about 3500000 times, all working perfectly.
So I have just spent all afternoon rebuilding the motor, fresh oil, fully charged batteries, everything back together....
And the #### of a starter motor is sticking exactly like it did 2 weeks ago
So I still don't know if its a runner, going to have to borrow a credit card or money, and get a starter motor off Dan: Then I've still got to see if it running, basically back to where I started, apart from knowing the oil pickup is okay, and I've cleaned a load of junk out of the main pickup, and repaired the sump leak _________________ 1999 3.0 TD Duty SWB
3" Body lift, 3" suspension lift, diff dropped, balljoints flipped, extended panhard, Tree sliders, Superwinch, +2" Pro Comps, 33" Mudders: Nearly finished! |
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Rhanagar Lifetime member
Joined: 12 Jan 2010 Posts: 4861 Location: Preston, Lancs.
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Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2015 18:49 Post subject: |
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Nick had to replace his starter. Perhaps you can make a single good one out of two bad ones. _________________ 1990 Isuzu Bighorn LWB Mk.I 2.8TD Manual Lotus Edition
1994 Isuzu Bighorn LWB Mk.II 3.1TD Auto Lotus Edition
Deceased
1994 Isuzu Bighorn LWB Mk.II 3.1TD Auto LS
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jacksdad1963 *******
Joined: 26 Jul 2011 Posts: 1939 Location: Oldham, Lancs
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Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2015 19:02 Post subject: |
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Good idea: I'll have a think about it, only thing is, its such a ballache on the 3.0, because half the stuff under the bonnet is in the way
I was dreading refitting the starter, but it was dead easy really, just a lot of work getting at the damn thing to start with!
(to start with...I amaze myself sometimes!) _________________ 1999 3.0 TD Duty SWB
3" Body lift, 3" suspension lift, diff dropped, balljoints flipped, extended panhard, Tree sliders, Superwinch, +2" Pro Comps, 33" Mudders: Nearly finished! |
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jacksdad1963 *******
Joined: 26 Jul 2011 Posts: 1939 Location: Oldham, Lancs
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Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 19:51 Post subject: |
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Starter arrived today, I could not get it to go back in the same hole though!
I tightened up the lead fixing nut, then that stopped it going in as it was at the wrong angle, so I backed off the nut just enough for it to find its own route, tightened up the starter mounting bolts....now I can't get to the lead nut again!
Its almost tight so I just put everything back together, minus the heater hoses. AND.....started after about 3 spins of the engine
Oil pressure just over the centre line, never been that high, cleaning the junk out of the pickup was worth taking off the sump, plus I've fixed a leak!
Went for a careful drive, and no brakes: as warned, so back under the bonnet, found the fault, one TINY vac hose/T connector had come apart...
All working well now, so tomorrow I'll sort out the starter wire, change the oil and filters: I filtered and re-used the engine oil, had to make sure it worked first.
New antifreeze, and I'm freinds with it again....bloody 3.0 addiction..... _________________ 1999 3.0 TD Duty SWB
3" Body lift, 3" suspension lift, diff dropped, balljoints flipped, extended panhard, Tree sliders, Superwinch, +2" Pro Comps, 33" Mudders: Nearly finished! |
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