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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:05    Post subject: Vehicross JDM (UK) Tech2 Card Discussion Reply with quote

Hello to all.
I've been trying to find information on which Tech2 card(s) versions are compatible with the Japanese Domestic Market (JDM) Vehicross 3.2L (V6D1).

Some background:
After a lot of online research, all I've come up with is data referring to the USA Vehicross, which aside from a different engine (3.5L vs 3.2L), is very different in electronic specification, even the wiring loom colour coding is different!
Mechanically, the only part of the drive train these two seem to share is the GM transmission 4L30-E.

To make matters more confusing the Tech2 Isuzu cards do list both 3.2 and 3.5 engines, but do NOT communicate as expected with the V6D1.
To add to my current confusion, if I try the 3.5L engine option, I get an immediate "incorrect platform" error (as you'd expect), while the 3.2L (V6D1) option is accepted without error, but it then refuses to display any engine data, (all fields are "*").
Furthermore, the ABS module talks to some degree, then errors with incorrect version, while the SRS module seems ok.
The TOD connects, but then just waits at the "waiting for data" screen.
The 4L40E talks without issue, displays data, rpm, and all fields seem to function.

My current conclusion is, my 1997 JDM is using some combination of ECU, ABS, TOD, SRS, that were not "bundled" correctly on the Tech2 card.
This conclusion is also supported in part, that so far all the Isuzu cards I have checked, make no mention of the Vehicross until 1999, and stop listing them after 2000, (the same years of the USA sales availability).
Furthermore, I find online, no mention of such tech2 issues in the USA, so presumably Tech2 and USA Vehicross have no such compatibility issues.

I'm therefore hopeful, that someone out there has been here before, and can point me in the right direction. (Tech2 card, version number etc?)

I'm also aware I might be breaking new ground here, and will ensure I update this topic as and when I make some progress.

I'm also going to make a list of all the Tech2 Isuzu versions I'm aware of, and which versions I've tried, what works, what doesn't, in the hope some compatibility matrix can be built up.

Finally, I'm considering it possible the Holden and JDM cars that exported down under might hold the key to this, so expanding the search to the Holden Tech2 cards might be required. Equally, given the abundance of keen Kiwi/Aussie can-doers out there, maybe these challenges have been met already?

If anyone out there can  help, I'd most appreciate it.
Side note: Polite Request: Replies like, ("is your tech2 working?", "why don't you use such & such tool", "I don't know, but" etc etc), are not helpful! The internet is already swamped with such banality, and that just makes it all the more hard to find accurate information.

Last question: Bigger picture for all the Bighorn, and Trooper fans, perhaps the compatibility matrix could be expanded to include them also, anyone interested?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:55    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tech2 Card Version                   Year     Vehicross     F0:Powertrain     3.2L V6 6VD1     3.5L V6 6VE1     4L30E        F1:Chassis     ABS            TOD         F2:Body     Airbag
V11.660 Isuzu 1996 - 2013        1999      Yes                                            Yes(NOK)             Yes(?)                  Yes(OK)                             Yes(NOK)     Yes(NOK)                   Yes(OK)
V11.660 Isuzu 1996 - 2013        2000      Yes                                            Yes(NOK)             Yes(?)                  Yes(OK)                             Yes(NOK)     Yes(NOK)                   Yes(OK)
V11.660 Isuzu 1996 - 2013        2001      Yes                                            Yes(NOK)             Yes(?)                  Yes(OK)                             Yes(NOK)     Yes(NOK)                   Yes(OK)

V11.640 Isuzu 1996 - 2013        1999      Yes                                            Yes(NOK)             Yes(?)                  Yes(OK)                             Yes(NOK)     Yes(NOK)                   Yes(OK)
V11.640 Isuzu 1996 - 2013        2000      Yes                                            Yes(NOK)             Yes(?)                  Yes(OK)                             Yes(NOK)     Yes(NOK)                   Yes(OK)
V11.640 Isuzu 1996 - 2013        2001      Yes                                            Yes(NOK)             Yes(?)                  Yes(OK)                             Yes(NOK)     Yes(NOK)                   Yes(OK)

V11.260 Isuzu 1996 - 2013 JP    1999      Yes                                            Yes(????)             Yes(?)                  Yes(???)                            Yes(????)     Yes(????)                  Yes(????)
V11.260 Isuzu 1996 - 2013 JP    2000      Yes                                            Yes(????)             Yes(?)                  Yes(???)                            Yes(????)     Yes(????)                  Yes(????)
V11.260 Isuzu 1996 - 2013 JP    2001      Yes                                            Yes(????)             Yes(?)                  Yes(???)                            Yes(????)     Yes(????)                  Yes(????)

V11.142 Isuzu NA 1996 - 2004   1999      Yes                                            NO                       Yes(?)                  Yes(OK)                             Yes(NOK)     Yes(NOK)                   Yes(OK)
V11.142 Isuzu NA 1996 - 2004   2000      Yes                                            NO                       Yes(?)                  Yes(OK)                             Yes(NOK)     Yes(NOK)                   Yes(OK)
V11.142 Isuzu NA 1996 - 2004   2001      Yes                                            NO                       Yes(?)                  Yes(OK)                             Yes(NOK)     Yes(NOK)                   Yes(OK)


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:11    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark at Old Mill Motors.

Give Mark (eithan h on the forum) a bell. He's probably the only one on here that may be able to help.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 23:35    Post subject: Reply with quote

think i've seen one maybe two vehicross's in the time i've been doing isuzus so not really had much chance to get in to them but i should think you would need to load the info from tis2000 that refers to the american market rather than using the uk market cards
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 13:59    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Red Robbo
Thanks Eithan H

I'm going to have a flashing session on Sat, (not what you're thinking), and try all the TIS2000 and Isuzu cards I have.

One of the key differences between JDM and US is the TOD.
The US vehicles TOD is always on, and lever only changes 4L or 4H.
The JDM is nicer imho, as it has a 3 position lever, 2H, and 4L on the lever, with TOD in the middle. (which means you're not stranded if TOD fails, as you can mechanically disengage it, by shifting to 2H, (or mechanically lock 4L)).

Equally, the JDM Vehicross was produced 97~99, where as the US 99~01.

I flashed the 11.260 from TIS2000, (Domestic and Export), in Japanese, and it does appear different, (aside from the Japanese), at least with the SRS menu.

Anyway, thanks for the advice chaps, update to follow.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 11:40    Post subject: Tech2 Card Update (Mar 2018) Reply with quote

After a lot of testing yesterday, I had success in communicating with ALL modules except TOD.

Listing every card, version, year, model etc that DIDN'T work makes little sense, so what follows is a listing of what DOES work.

The good news is, with the exception of TOD, all modules can be connected to with the programs contained on a single Tech2 card.

That card is.

Software Version: 142.001 Holden 1997 - 2012

Unfortunately none of the TOD programs communicated with my 97 JDM Vehicross, and that hunt continues.

Matrix will be pasted below, and you will need to refer to it, as no one year, or model software package contained a complete working set, and you need to switch years and models and modules as required. The good news is, this all actually works, I tested most functions, was able to see and hear the Vehicross respond, fuel pump on/off for example, and even toggled on/off instrument warning lamps on the dash.

What's Next.
Find a program that talks to the TOD.
Update the Matrix, if I find a better (or equivalent) Tech2 card/version than 142.000.


Side Note: All the Isuzu cards I checked so far, were practically useless for my Vehicross. Some programs appear to communicate, but display no real-time data, or cause the Tech2 to beep with each acquisition cycle. I had some crash the Tech2, while others actually give errors such as ECU mismatch.

For the 6VD1, it seems there are at least 2 totally different ECU hardware versions, and all the Isuzu cards I checked, that list the 6VD1, accepted the Tech2 connection, but displayed no data.
The KEY difference was "Hitachi", as in:

3.2L V6 6VD1 Hitachi



On all cards I checked, if the "Hitachi" suffix was listed, that talked in both directions.
Without "Hitachi", the connection was not refused with a ECU mismatch error, but no data was actually displayed on the Tech2.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 11:45    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tech2 Card Version                   Year     Vehicross     Powertrain     3.2L V6 6VD1     3.5L V6 6VE1     4L30E        Chassis     ABS                   TOD         Body     Airbag
V142.001 Holden 1997 - 2012    1997      Yes/Monterey                      Yes(NOK)              No                       Yes(NOK)                     Yes/ABS 5(OK)    No                         Yes(OK)
V142.001 Holden 1997 - 2012    1998      Yes/Monterey                      No                        Yes(?)                  Yes(OK)                       Yes/ABS 5(NOK)  No                          No
V142.001 Holden 1997 - 2012    1999      Yes/Rodeo                           Yes(Hitachi)(OK)   No                       Yes(NOK)                     No                       No                         No
V142.001 Holden 1997 - 2012    2000      Yes/Rodeo                           Yes(Hitachi)(OK)   No                       Yes(NOK)                     No                       No                         Yes(NOK)


Possibly later Holden cards will also work.
I have V149.000 and 157.000, and will test them during the hunt for TOD comms.
Update to follow.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 8:17    Post subject: Reply with quote

spoondeep wrote:
Tech2 Card Version                   Year     Vehicross     F0:Powertrain     3.2L V6 6VD1     3.5L V6 6VE1     4L30E        F1:Chassis     ABS            TOD         F2:Body     Airbag
V11.680 Isuzu 1996 - 2013        1998      Yes/Frontier, LAO-Rodeo              Yes(Hitachi)(OK)    No                       No                                     No               No                             No
V11.680 Isuzu 1996 - 2013        1998      Yes/Rodeo/Amigo, Wizard/MU        No                       No                       Yes(OK)                             No               No                             No
           

V11.660 Isuzu 1996 - 2013        1999      Yes                                            Yes(NOK)             Yes(?)                  Yes(OK)                             Yes(NOK)     Yes(NOK)                   Yes(OK)
V11.660 Isuzu 1996 - 2013        2000      Yes                                            Yes(NOK)             Yes(?)                  Yes(OK)                             Yes(NOK)     Yes(NOK)                   Yes(OK)
V11.660 Isuzu 1996 - 2013        2001      Yes                                            Yes(NOK)             Yes(?)                  Yes(OK)                             Yes(NOK)     Yes(NOK)                   Yes(OK)

V11.640 Isuzu 1996 - 2013        1999      Yes                                            Yes(NOK)             Yes(?)                  Yes(OK)                             Yes(NOK)     Yes(NOK)                   Yes(OK)
V11.640 Isuzu 1996 - 2013        2000      Yes                                            Yes(NOK)             Yes(?)                  Yes(OK)                             Yes(NOK)     Yes(NOK)                   Yes(OK)
V11.640 Isuzu 1996 - 2013        2001      Yes                                            Yes(NOK)             Yes(?)                  Yes(OK)                             Yes(NOK)     Yes(NOK)                   Yes(OK)

V11.260 Isuzu 1996 - 2013 JP    1999      Yes                                            Yes(????)             Yes(?)                  Yes(???)                            Yes(????)     Yes(????)                  Yes(????)
V11.260 Isuzu 1996 - 2013 JP    2000      Yes                                            Yes(????)             Yes(?)                  Yes(???)                            Yes(????)     Yes(????)                  Yes(????)
V11.260 Isuzu 1996 - 2013 JP    2001      Yes                                            Yes(????)             Yes(?)                  Yes(???)                            Yes(????)     Yes(????)                  Yes(????)

V11.142 Isuzu NA 1996 - 2004   1999      Yes                                            No                       Yes(?)                  Yes(OK)                             Yes(NOK)     Yes(NOK)                   Yes(OK)
V11.142 Isuzu NA 1996 - 2004   2000      Yes                                            No                       Yes(?)                  Yes(OK)                             Yes(NOK)     Yes(NOK)                   Yes(OK)
V11.142 Isuzu NA 1996 - 2004   2001      Yes                                            No                       Yes(?)                  Yes(OK)                             Yes(NOK)     Yes(NOK)                   Yes(OK)

V142.001 Holden 1997 - 2012    1997      Yes/Monterey                              Yes(NOK)             No                       Yes(NOK)                         Yes/ABS 5(OK)     No                     Yes(OK)
V142.001 Holden 1997 - 2012    1998      Yes/Monterey                              No                       Yes(?)                 Yes(OK)                            Yes/ABS 5(NOK)   No                       No
V142.001 Holden 1997 - 2012    1999      Yes/Rodeo                                Yes(Hitachi)(OK)     No                       Yes(NOK)                          No                       No                      No
V142.001 Holden 1997 - 2012    2000      Yes/Rodeo                                Yes(Hitachi)(OK)     No                       Yes(NOK)                          No                      No                      Yes(NOK)
   
V184.000 Opel 1997 - 2014       1997      Yes/Monterey                            Yes(NOK)               No                       Yes(NOK)                          Yes/ABS 5(OK)    No                       Yes(OK)

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