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wv6z · Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 6:33 Post subject: HHO

Has anyone considered using HHO to improve mileage? Any luck? Results? scratch

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Topvaux · Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:42 Post subject:

No........ I'm still trying to think what HHO might be............

DYLAN · Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:47 Post subject:

I think it's to do with the "run your car on water" type ad's

Changing H20 into HHO
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dxmedia · Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:56 Post subject:

Electrolisis is increadably inefficent, so doing it in the car will have a very negative impact. Also Hydrogen is very difficult to store due to the tiny size of the mollecule, having it pumped is an environmental catastrophy due to the above reasons.

I've read recently that they recon these huge fuel savings, using about a gallon of water a month?? i smell bull.
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Topvaux · Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:59 Post subject:

Oh! Gotcha! Bit early for me, yet, this time of day.........

This is the deal whereby you electrolyse water and then burn the result......? Did it occur to anybody that you'll not quite get back the amount of power you had to put into the process in the first place?? Otherwise, they've inveted perpetual motion! All power stations would simply sit by a river and split the water and put it back together again........!?

How about running a big alternator off the engine, charge up a battery, run electric motors? Oh, right! - that's a Prius!! LOL!!

dxmedia · Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 11:02 Post subject:

Ah the Prius with a worse carbon footprint than a humer. lol.
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wv6z · Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 22:07 Post subject:

In light of the fact that everyone seems to be quite clueless about the use of HHO, it's environmental impacts as well as the perception that one manufacturers hydrogen and stores it (a la LZ 129 Hindenburg *** INSERT LARGE EFFING EXPLOSION SOUND HERE*** Shocked

). I will try to keep you posted as to my efforts, progress or lack there of. Just for the heck of it, I will throw out a few stats based upon initial engineering design for my planned generator, as well as a few photos in the weeks to come.

5 to 7 liters per minute based upon 13.8 VDC @ 20 amps max (limited) current draw is my current goal. Hey, at my almost brilliantly efficient 18 MPG, if I can squeeze another 2 to 5 MPG out of her for less than 25 quid and a couple of weekends spare time investment, what the heck, right? Do a wee dram of research lads. It may be fun to have a little competition to see who can come up with the most efficient alternative fuel sources. As you bio diesel users are heavily taxed for your efforts in many places, I figure I will go the H2O route until they start taxing it, or, until one of you guys comes up with a better idea.

I understand the horrific environmental impact may concern some of you though, but, I promise to try to reduce my emissions of H2O through the use of HHO in me old Trooper...... you guys crack me up! Laughing

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dxmedia · Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 22:21 Post subject:

wv6z · Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 22:59 Post subject:

dxmedia · Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 23:09 Post subject:

hahahahhaahhahahah

http://www.runyourcarwithwater.com/

hahahahhahhahahahahahahaha

OK - 1800L of 'brown gas' humm H2O browngas? bull *beep* gas perhaps?

hahhaha

snakeoil
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dxmedia · Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 23:16 Post subject:

Every single site I've found on HHO (sorry) water says this >

It's a wonder fuel, hippys can weave yoghuart till their hearts content and there will be birds twitering on your kitchen table,

but - give us $300 dollars to tell you how to do it.

Oh electrolisis, get a battery put 2 rods into a glass of water and connent them to the terminals of the battery.

Oh - chemist me, no, but try playing with the frequency, if you get close to 20Khz you'll find that the efficency of electrolysis increases, it's called the 'water hammer' effect the same principle as you pipes banging in the house. Remeber though that water is a very very poor conductor hence the massive inefficency of electrolysis, there's a few, ok 3, laws of physics which say that this won't work Wink

energy in = energy out.

if you've ever done electrolysis you'll know the massive amounts of heat which are created.

Not a bad day, just hate sudo science.
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dxmedia · Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 23:27 Post subject:

Quick google for 'hho' and 'snake oil'

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=opera&rls=en&hs=6fI&q=hho+snakeoil&btnG=Search

Worth reading, large amounts of people having a very very very good finger pointing chuckle at the complete lack of any truth in the claims.
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wv6z · Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 23:38 Post subject:

Okay then, I suppose I shall look for some other rainy day project to perform in the shed. Just two questions though:

a) Do you work for BP?

b) Are you really my wife who has signed up as a user here is disguise? (Until meeting you, I have never met another human being who seems to take as much pleasure out of insulting my profound lack of intelligence Laughing

).

Hey, if you don't ask questions, you never learn anything, it was simply a question and I suppose if I had seen all of the ad verts that you have, I would have been suspicious too. I am going to PM you my email address and if you like, I will email you a .pdf document that a friend had sent to me that tweaked my interest, just drop me a line (psssst - I won't tell the lads here, I promise). As this was all new to me (my days revolve around processing plastic, crumpet and beer), it looked quite exciting.........
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wv6z · Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 23:45 Post subject:

Tiz funny how our searches seemed to lead in opposite directions though, innit?

http://www.hydrogen-generator-systems.com/index1.html
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dxmedia · Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 23:47 Post subject:

I'll try to remeber to drop you a line tomorrow... (I've your address - thanks) I'm not trying to shoot you down, just after many years to trying to tell people that putting a spiral in their air inlet, or fitting a yellow air filter instead of a green one they won't magically get twice the economy from their engine.

Many many many years ago as a teenager I watched a program on TV about 2 californian guys who built a little sports car which ran on 100% water... I was mesmerised by this - amazing idea.... a couple of years of study later I'd learnt a very simple lesson for a young guy - cinicism, also a little bit about hydrolysis (I've a mechanicalkida background)

Superchargers / Turbo's - 1930's, common rail - 60's injection 70's - that's now 40 years ago nearly. It's all been done with regards to mineral fuels - we need something new - not snake oil.
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