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sbhep ***
Joined: 03 Aug 2007 Posts: 218 Location: Doncaster
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:15 Post subject: Non starting 3 ltr diesel ( again !!! ) 1999 |
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Hi all here we go again ( god i loved all my 3.1 td troopers but beginning to hate the 3 ltr )
Left car ticking over while stood at the side chatting to someone
engine suddenly stopped with no warning would not start
got it trailered home
had a quick look for obvious diesel seems to be getting through
brake lights work, and recently had new oil rail pressure sensor and throttle control body
Now only other thing I have noticed is now not getting glow plug light when turn ignition on
infact only getting handbrake...... oil....... and baterry light......... air bag goes off aftr afew seconds
think I got afew more lights beside glow plugs before.........but can not remember
read all the other articles and going to try the two more ltrs of oil for the strainer tomorrow ( today 1am )
but would it have just stopped for this
looking forward to your help
many thanks simon |
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eithan h Moderator
Joined: 11 Dec 2005 Posts: 8195 Location: oxfordish
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 18:43 Post subject: |
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as you have had a new sensor you are now down to either the strainer, rail pressure control valve, or high pressure pump or at a long shot crank sensor not reading correctly.
apart from the strainer which you can test with the extra oil the others will need a tech2 to diagnose |
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sbhep ***
Joined: 03 Aug 2007 Posts: 218 Location: Doncaster
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 2:05 Post subject: Thanks will keep you posted |
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Thanks for your sound advice again
Do isuzu pay you for all this advice time keeping us 3.0 ltr guys on the road ??
Not had chance to try the oil thing today, but hopefully tomorrow
Is it just a coincidence the glow plug light is not comming or can it be connected
Like because one thing is not registering it shuts the starting system off ??
With regard to the tech two ......... is it better to get it back isuzu dealer again !!!!!!!
or let the local electronic guys who say they can read the data have a bash ??
they are alot cheaper
many thanks simon |
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TimBanham Lifetime member
Joined: 17 Oct 2006 Posts: 1258 Location: Newark, Nottinghamshire
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:48 Post subject: |
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I'd also check all your fuses etc as I suppose it could be an electrical fault? _________________ 3.0TD LWB Citation |
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Topvaux Lifetime member
Joined: 25 Oct 2006 Posts: 934 Location: Dereham, Norfolk
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 13:00 Post subject: |
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I'm wondering about the lack of dash lights, too.
Eithan - if the ECU went belly up would you still get the glow plug light, Check Engine light and so on? |
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sbhep ***
Joined: 03 Aug 2007 Posts: 218 Location: Doncaster
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 17:35 Post subject: update on things tried |
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Had an hour or so on the car today
Had all the fuses and relays out in car and engine bay put them back in.......... no joy
filled to top mark and put 2 extra ltrs of oil in ............no joy
still not getting the glow plug light either
one further thing noticed while cranking over not starting the anti theft little red light lights up
I do not suppose any of you can check this on your troopers as yours will all start
I think all that is left to do is to get it on the tech 2 maybe bite the bullet ( hard ) and back to isuzu dealer
will keep you posted
oh yes have drained the extra oil out again before i forgot |
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eithan h Moderator
Joined: 11 Dec 2005 Posts: 8195 Location: oxfordish
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 20:28 Post subject: |
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get paid for it! i wish but isuzu couldn't afford me!!!!! this is all voluntary
topvaux the answer is yes you will still get all the lights up if the ecu has gone belly up
if it's cheaper then give them a go but unless they have the isuzu software i don't think they will be able to read some of the data,
to get these things to start the ecu needs to see oil pressure, crank and cam signals if it doesn't it wont start, see if the electronics guys can read these if not get it to a dealer |
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sbhep ***
Joined: 03 Aug 2007 Posts: 218 Location: Doncaster
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Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 14:10 Post subject: at last fault found |
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Hi guys just had the fault on this trooper located
bit of a 4 month delay as I went and bought a good old 3.1 trooper to put me on
anyway its the ECU
the dealer wants £1234 plus vat
its a T 1999 3 ltr so only really worth £2,000
anyway hoping to get the ecu repaired as not paying out for a new one
cheers |
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Topvaux Lifetime member
Joined: 25 Oct 2006 Posts: 934 Location: Dereham, Norfolk
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Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 18:49 Post subject: |
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I had brilliant - and cheap! - service from BBA Reman.
See my post on the subject.......... http://www.itocuk.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?p=116566&sid=96fbb9182cc128a657c4674e0b4b43cd
Hope this helps. |
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Red Robbo Lifetime member
Joined: 17 Feb 2008 Posts: 4129 Location: Where ever I happen to be in my imagination but mainly Far East Sussex
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Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 19:58 Post subject: |
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Topvaux wrote: |
I had brilliant - and cheap! - service from BBA Reman.
See my post on the subject.......... http://www.itocuk.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?p=116566&sid=96fbb9182cc128a657c4674e0b4b43cd
Hope this helps. |
Linked that inhis post in general TV _________________ Khotso........... |
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AD *****
Joined: 29 Oct 2007 Posts: 598 Location: Northumberland
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Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 19:59 Post subject: Re: at last fault found |
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sbhep wrote: |
the dealer wants £1234 |
They make that figure up?
I have seen a few 2nd hand ecu's for sale, may be a cheaper option but it will need it's immobilizer switched off or recoded. _________________ 2011 3.0l Hilux Invincible
94, 3.1 duty
95, 3.1 commercial, Agricultural licence
04, 3.0 citation |
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Topvaux Lifetime member
Joined: 25 Oct 2006 Posts: 934 Location: Dereham, Norfolk
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Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 20:39 Post subject: Re: at last fault found |
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AD wrote: |
sbhep wrote: |
the dealer wants £1234 |
They make that figure up?
I have seen a few 2nd hand ecu's for sale, may be a cheaper option but it will need it's immobilizer switched off or recoded. |
No, that's the sort of money I was quoted before I found BBA Reman.
If you do find a cheap used ECU you can simply swap the EEPROM chip which will transfer all the immobiliser codes and so on. That is, actually, what BBA ended up doing for me because my ECU was unserviceable. |
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AD *****
Joined: 29 Oct 2007 Posts: 598 Location: Northumberland
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Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 22:22 Post subject: |
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Theres one for sale on a well known internet auction site, seller seems to specialise in the repair of ecu's so may be able to advise _________________ 2011 3.0l Hilux Invincible
94, 3.1 duty
95, 3.1 commercial, Agricultural licence
04, 3.0 citation |
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sbhep ***
Joined: 03 Aug 2007 Posts: 218 Location: Doncaster
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Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 2:38 Post subject: ecu |
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Hi all
Just to finish off got the ecu refurbished
by ecu testing near nottingham
a fast service they did it one day
the price £195 plus vat and £8 postage Total £234.49
2 year warranty
THATS ONLY A SAVING OF £1,185 ON ISUZU PRICE, hardly worth mentioning !!!!!!!
of course the dealer charged me another £80 for coding it in to everything
the ecu place told me the ecu going pop on the 3 ltrs is very common
and they have done loads
often caused by jump starting
or charging without disconnecting batterries
I recently did both of these prior to fault............
SO ALL OF YOU BE CAREFULL
But anyway running again
not sure for how long with these 3 ltrs
cheers |
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toe *
Joined: 05 Apr 2009 Posts: 20
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Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 13:44 Post subject: |
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Hi im tony im looking for help my 99 3.0 tropper wont start it turns over but wont fire up its getting fuel when i probed the injector cables it only read 4 volts dose any one no what it can be.IT HAS ME UP THE WALLS |
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