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 Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 8:41 Post subject: Its Monday Morning - Wont Start ! |
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Grr,
Goddamn..... Jumped in the Trooper today after a fautless weekend of Running, and the darn thing won't start.
Just Cranks over and over and Over.
Tried locking / immobilser on / off and still no change.
The Dash lights are as normal (except my intermittant Glow Plug light posted elsewhere) - any Ideas ?
it is a 2001 3.0DT, 70,000miles on the clock (so young !  )
I have called out Mr AA, seeing as I have paid for him for so many years and not called him since I was a Student (I knew all of them by first name bac then with my Fiesta I had )
So, Ideas? I think Electronic Gremlins?
If so really It can only go to an Isuzu dealer right ? So I guess I will get towed to Middlesbrough Derek Slack by AA (or as a 4x4 it has to be a low loader doesn't it ?)
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aduncan
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As an observation, the Glow Plug light does not flick on AT ALL - inportant?
There is oil in it, and no obvious wires loose.
Brake lights work (re: another comment on the fuse)
I re-iterate, all was well yesterday up to & including parking up.
What can killl it like this out of the blue ?
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| Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 9:10 Post subject: |
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Could be the strainer/pick-up for the HP oil pump. An extra 2 litres of oil in the sump would prove that (if it then starts, that is!).
Could be the ORPS, but if you haven't been having symptoms up to now then unlikely. Removing the middle wire (white one gone yellow) from the injection multiplug next to the dipstick/filler tube would prove that.
Could be the throttle jammed shut, but if you haven't had a flashing "Engine Check" lamp that's maybe unlikely.
Oh, yes........... are your brake lights working?? If the fuse has gone your ECU will not be powered!! (Go figure!!). |
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| Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 9:17 Post subject: |
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| Topvaux wrote: |
Could be the strainer/pick-up for the HP oil pump. An extra 2 litres of oil in the sump would prove that (if it then starts, that is!).
Could be the ORPS, but if you haven't been having symptoms up to now then unlikely. Removing the middle wire (white one gone yellow) from the injection multiplug next to the dipstick/filler tube would prove that.
Could be the throttle jammed shut, but if you haven't had a flashing "Engine Check" lamp that's maybe unlikely.
Oh, yes........... are your brake lights working?? If the fuse has gone your ECU will not be powered!! (Go figure!!). |
Thanks - a couple of the obvious ones I thought of too -
I have the oil here- so could gie that a whirl - then got to figure on getting it out again ! If the strainer had come of - would it of Run yesterday ? I would think so ??
Is the Strainer a recall thing or am I confused? there are no outstanding recalls on my Trooper.
ORPS -better bloody not be ! had it changed 2 months ago - and like you say no other symptoms
No flashing Engine Check Light. only the ABS and Brake lights stay lit on the Dash when Cranking.
Brake Lights are OK (see above)
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| Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 9:34 Post subject: |
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| aduncan wrote: |
I have the oil here- so could gie that a whirl - then got to figure on getting it out again ! If the strainer had come of - would it of Run yesterday ? I would think so ??
Is the Strainer a recall thing or am I confused? there are no outstanding recalls on my Trooper.
ORPS -better bloody not be ! had it changed 2 months ago - and like you say no other symptoms
No flashing Engine Check Light. only the ABS and Brake lights stay lit on the Dash when Cranking.
Brake Lights are OK (see above) |
I ran mine for a couple of thousand miles or so with the oil level high before I got round to having my strainer changed!   You're OK so long as you keep an eye on it.
The recall on strainers was only to do with the pitch of the gauze - nothing to do with them cracking! You'd have to pay for that, but the good news is it's only an hour's work (and the part is a bit cheaper from Vauxhall - but if it's off to your Isuzu dealer you might not insist on that option!?
I think you can probably discount ORPS and brake light fuse then............. |
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Mr AA has called quits on it.
looks like a trip on a low loader to a dealer now !
he is going to box it back up and we shll try the 2 Litres of Oil option for good measure. Nowt to lose.!
*beep*
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Aha ! Do you have the MIL light on when the ign is on ? cos it should be as part of the self check.
Possible cam position sensor,crank position sensor,rpcv (tech II required here ) or simply air in the fuel from the usual suspects ran ok till you stopped now the fuels run back .
A brisk hand primer pumping will help to find this .
However going on the glow light thread if the system has stopped alltogether it needs a longer crank that you may normally give it - say 15 seconds ?
If it shows no sign of firing then its electrical i would think .
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2 more Litres of Oil makes no difference.....
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| Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 10:31 Post subject: |
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MIL , malfunction indicator light or engine check light - .
If a longer cranking does O then its tech II time just for speed and keeping costs down .
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| Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 10:50 Post subject: |
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| Gribble wrote: |
| its tech II time just for speed |
Phil,
You have a Big Green LWB present heading to your Workshops on a low loader shortly ! 
Don't forget :
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| keeping costs down . |
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Well yet again our Local man at Derek Slack Isuzu has come up trumps for me... don't panic no need for me to read up on the 'Buying a new ECU thread'
As the Check light did not come on ata all and TechII would not 'connect' he found the problem as something along the lines of a loose pin in the ECU connector plug (or something  ) bloody Electronics eh !
Seems to of been the source of the problems - Jackpot as it also seems to of cured the Glowplug light problem too.
 
Back on the road again  But I haven't seen the bill yet 
Top marks.
To add - after all the problems I have posted about my Oil leak (fixed by the Above) and that I have managed to get all the Oil off my lovcely drive...... Mr AA backs his van off the drive and, yes you guessed it - a splodge of Oil ! 
Cheers,
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