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super trooper 101 Lifetime member
Joined: 19 Dec 2008 Posts: 245 Location: Newport, Shrops
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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 12:53 Post subject: Mondeo |
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Mates mondeo is playing up.
he gets a big rattly noise on start, very knocky, ran like this fine for ages. started losing power resently alot of black smoke, and he said lose of turbo boost.
EGR? just guessing, can i do DTC test like we can on the trooper?
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badendesigns Lifetime member
Joined: 01 Feb 2010 Posts: 851 Location: Wales
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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 18:01 Post subject: |
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He's not running it on WVO is he? _________________ 99/00 Frontera B 3.2 V6
79 XS1100
82 XS1100 midnight
87 454 LTD
Lovin it!!!!!
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super trooper 101 Lifetime member
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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 18:31 Post subject: |
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no, just stuff morrisons sell on |
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badendesigns Lifetime member
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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 19:20 Post subject: |
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Had a friend that ran a Mondeo on WVO and it killed it. It seems that the engine in the Mondeo is not very good with anything but diesel. _________________ 99/00 Frontera B 3.2 V6
79 XS1100
82 XS1100 midnight
87 454 LTD
Lovin it!!!!!
Wear sunscreen
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super trooper 101 Lifetime member
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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 19:23 Post subject: |
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mmmm. maybe its just because its a ford, everyone knows what it stands for
no answers about the self diag? |
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Gribble *******
Joined: 11 Oct 2007 Posts: 8448 Location: Holset H221W
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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 19:48 Post subject: |
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Depends on the year but should be an OBD port there , I think its under the ashtray in fords .
Sounds like an injector , try cracking each pipe off at idle and see if the engine note changes . _________________ 2 New Troopers ! |
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super trooper 101 Lifetime member
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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 15:17 Post subject: |
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ok cheers gribble, will have a look ovet the weekend |
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Wirdy *****
Joined: 01 May 2008 Posts: 695 Location: Glenrothes, Fife
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Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 1:04 Post subject: |
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Injectors normally. Budget on £80 each - cheaoer than troopers ones!
They need coding as well. There are firms that recondition them too - try a delphi injector refurb specialist.
The mondeo TDCI injection system is fragile, if your pal wants to lose hours of an evening there are loads of horror stories on mondeo forums. . I have one but mine has been okay as I use cleaner in every tank and I'm on 118k at present.
Try some BG244 before doing anything, it's worth the small investment if it unclogs the bad injector(s), but if a leak-off test shows a failed injector there's no alternative to refurb / replace I'm afraid. _________________ 2001 3.0 DT LWB Duty - Dragon Green Metallic. |
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super trooper 101 Lifetime member
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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 16:05 Post subject: |
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great stuff, i will get him to try the injector cleaner.
Did try tracking them off while on tick over but the car stalled instantly. up the revs and did it, got showered in diesel
the note changed but was the same on all 4.
Found a split in the pipe from the egr valve to, so going to replace that.
Thanks again folks. |
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Wirdy *****
Joined: 01 May 2008 Posts: 695 Location: Glenrothes, Fife
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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 19:22 Post subject: |
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Yeah, go careful as the diesel is at a huge pressure from the pump onto the rail
You didn't say what diesel your mate has but assuming TDCI or TDDI, the EGR is probably gummed up anyway along with the inlet manifold. It's a 2 hour job to take it off and degunk it with whatever scraper tools you can get into all the nooks and crannies and plenty of white spirit or whatever solvent you have most of.
I ended up blanking off my EGR with a plate off fleabay to stop further gunk but this is only suitable if he has a vacuum operated EGR; if it's the electrical one (you'll see wires going to it on later TDCI's) then you can fit a blank with a small hole in the centre to reduce gunk whilst keeping the ECU happy. Plenty of info on 'talkford' forums. _________________ 2001 3.0 DT LWB Duty - Dragon Green Metallic. |
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super trooper 101 Lifetime member
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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 20:27 Post subject: |
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cheers wirdy,
yep tdci, spoke to the man at the local ford garage and he said about taking it off and cleaning. got the new pipe so going to have a go at it tom,
will report back. CArnt believe how much pressure there was oh well lesson learnt. how much i pump in every time it goes bang? any one konw? just looking for useless info |
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DYLAN Moderator
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:14 Post subject: |
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Enough pressure to pump it under your skin an do some real damage i imagine I was once warned while playing with a derv boat engine that it could kill me with the injector pressure I had the injector out and spraying in my hand, Never have since. _________________
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Wirdy *****
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:16 Post subject: |
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DYLAN wrote: |
Enough pressure to pump it under your skin an do some real damage i imagine I was once warned while playing with a derv boat engine that it could kill me with the injector pressure I had the injector out and spraying in my hand, Never have since. |
Quite true.
Can also cut like a precision knife if the spray is fine enough _________________ 2001 3.0 DT LWB Duty - Dragon Green Metallic. |
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super trooper 101 Lifetime member
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 16:52 Post subject: |
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replaced the pipe today, turbo back to full power and no black smoke.
he is going to leave the injectors for now,
Thanks for your help guys |
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