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siweb *******
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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 21:19 Post subject: 2.8 update |
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After the new rocker arm was fitted we still got loads of smoke.
So back in my garage it went and off with it's head
But nothing has really stood out to be the cause of the smoke.
but the short list so far is injectors (have been tested and 3 off them are... well.... *beep*!) and the valve stem seals.
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jjcymru Guest
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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 22:42 Post subject: |
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may i ask, off topic but what on earth is left of the turbo actuator bulb, the silver thing?
Is the smoke blue, black or white/grey?
are the rubbers of the stem seals tough? |
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siweb *******
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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 0:30 Post subject: |
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I have no idea, but someone once said it had an exhaust brake?
Smoke colour very light blue but white/grey mostly
like this
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siweb *******
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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 0:40 Post subject: |
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jjcymru wrote: |
are the rubbers of the stem seals tough? |
They do "look" to be ok not hard but not really soft. As I have not yet seen a new one I cant compare em.
However they will be changed as they will come with the new head gasket set. |
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jjcymru Guest
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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 21:52 Post subject: |
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new ones rubber are springy and seal the oil efficiently, as they get older the springiness reduces and the rubber may crack..oil burnt.
Exhaust brake, could well be.. need a vaccuum off that to control gases to the exhaust, probably done a lot of towing before. Definitely not original.
white grey, awkward to diagnose. how does the engine run?
Injectors id attack first once if this is still the case after the head's been skimmed and the gasket of appropriate thickness has been fitted.
Check for a notch on your old gasket, your new one after skimming should be thicker, check out with your engineer as to how much hes taken off to ensure you maintain the right compression ratio with the correct thickness gasket. |
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siweb *******
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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 22:25 Post subject: |
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The injectors will be ready Tuesday'ish cost £185 to have them all redone. Instead of a spray they had jets
The head gasket set is now here, I was told not the bother having the head skimmed as its sound, and was surprisingly clean.
The new steam seals look to have a smaller hole then the old ones so that must be a good sign.
All this work and never to be used on the road, I must be going mad _________________
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jjcymru Guest
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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 22:32 Post subject: |
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christ thats dear, a place i know would do them for £25 each cash. |
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siweb *******
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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 22:35 Post subject: |
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Thats just what our lass said |
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jjcymru Guest
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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 22:44 Post subject: |
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LOL, are you keeping standard nozzles or going up a size for performance inc? |
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siweb *******
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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 23:10 Post subject: |
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standard nozzles i would think. my dad just give them to the bloke and said test em... and fix em. |
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 2:25 Post subject: |
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About 20 years ago, I had a Reliant Scimitar 3.0l V6 which ran with loads of white smoke. I decoked the heads, renewed head gaskets and hey presto.. no change,.. still loads of white smoke.
The problem turned out to be, the brake servo diaphragm was split. This allowed the carbs to suck brake fluid from the master cylinder, through the servo vacuum pipe into the carbs and engine and burn it with... loads of white smoke. Dunno if this is your problem, but the smoke's the same colour !! might be worth a look, try disconnecting the brake servo vacuum hose, and starting the motor.
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Joined: 23 May 2005 Posts: 158 Location: Atacama Desert, CHILE
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Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 5:25 Post subject: |
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Any tips siweb??...Im starting to open my engine this weekend. I think it needs new rings, piston and new cyl liners.
This will be the first surgery done by me on this engine.
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Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 7:33 Post subject: |
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Hi Guys, For a start, An explanation on smoke colours in a Diesel
Black or very dark smoke, especialy under load, this is caused by overfueling, ie, a rich mixture and this is normally the only colour that will result from any injector problem.
Blue smoke means oil is getting into the combustion chamber from somewhere. (rings,stem seals, gasket etc)
White or light grey smoke means that diesel in its liquid form is reaching the hot exhaust system. This is normally caused by a cylinder that is too cold to creat combustion. (Aerobatic aircraft creat their white smoke by injecting diesel into the exhaust pipe)
The causes can be A: Poor compression for whatever reason.
B: Something is cooling the combustion down like a tiny coolant leak through the liner or via the head gasket.
Normally you will notice a complete miss in one cylinder and the smoke will tend to "Chuff" out the exhaust in time with the faulty clinder but not always.
As with everything, there are always variables but those are the basics.
Note, If a cylinder has been down on compression then it will normally show a higher buildup of carbon deposits on the top of the piston, valves and the head fire deck.
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siweb *******
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Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 21:41 Post subject: |
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dani4JB1T wrote: |
Any tips siweb??...Im starting to open my engine this weekend. I think it needs new rings, piston and new cyl liners.
This will be the first surgery done by me on this engine.
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