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garyclark **
Joined: 17 Mar 2007 Posts: 52 Location: Felixstowe, Suffolk
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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 18:54 Post subject: Trooper won't start after changing door lock |
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Hi all.
A slightly misleading title perhaps?
A couple of days ago I changed the drivers door lock (barrel) on my 1996 3.1td Citation. It is a used lock from a breaker. The lock works fine but I had a strange thing happen on my first attempt at starting after fitting the lock.
For whatever reason, the car did not start "first time" like it has every single time for the last 12 years, not even an attempt at firing. It was turning over as normal with 2 good batteries I naturally assumed that I had upset the isolator somehow whilst changing the barrel electrics.
However, I waited about 10 seconds, wondering what I might have done and had another go at starting...........success!
Ever since that, she has started first time just like always.
So, my question is, why did the car fail to start the first time?
Any clues anyone? |
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drinksoptional *****
Joined: 21 Jun 2011 Posts: 590 Location: Scotland . South Lanarkshire
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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 0:36 Post subject: |
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Door open drained battery with interior light on |
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DYLAN Moderator
Joined: 25 Sep 2006 Posts: 5115 Location: Chesterfield, Derbyshire
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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 3:12 Post subject: |
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drinksoptional wrote: |
Door open drained battery with interior light on |
And in ten seconds it charged itself??
I would thank the lord it's running
The big boys might give you a reason _________________
2002 S-TYPE JAGUAR 3.0 SPORT |
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garyclark **
Joined: 17 Mar 2007 Posts: 52 Location: Felixstowe, Suffolk
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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 8:06 Post subject: |
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Thanks for the replies guys.
Just to clarify, there was a slight drop in battery power due to the drain from the interior light (well spotted drinksoptional) but not enough to stop her from turning over for several seconds, however, Dylan is quite right to point out that there was clearly enough battery power to start her the second time I tried.
Perhaps with the slightly drained battery, the glow plugs didn't quite "do there stuff" and a second go warmed them up some more. I always run them twice in winter (even with good batteries) as that seems to help her start easier.
Thanks.
Gary. |
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eithan h Moderator
Joined: 11 Dec 2005 Posts: 8195 Location: oxfordish
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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 12:20 Post subject: |
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did you have both keys together near the ignition barrel? |
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garyclark **
Joined: 17 Mar 2007 Posts: 52 Location: Felixstowe, Suffolk
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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 12:22 Post subject: |
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Hi.
Yes, both keys on the keyring. Intrigued to know what you are thinking |
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eithan h Moderator
Joined: 11 Dec 2005 Posts: 8195 Location: oxfordish
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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 12:26 Post subject: |
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if they are the coded type then if it picked up the signal from the new key it would then know it's wrong so not start and as it's picked up a code already it would ignore the proper key in the ignition so it would crank but not start, thats my theory anyway. easy to prove by separating the keys holding the new key to the aerial around the barrel then insert the old key and try and start it |
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garyclark **
Joined: 17 Mar 2007 Posts: 52 Location: Felixstowe, Suffolk
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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 12:38 Post subject: |
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Hi.
Yes, both keys on the keyring. Intrigued to know what you are thinking |
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garyclark **
Joined: 17 Mar 2007 Posts: 52 Location: Felixstowe, Suffolk
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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 13:10 Post subject: |
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As far as I know the keys are not coded.
Tried what you said and she started as normal. |
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eithan h Moderator
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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 18:17 Post subject: |
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lol not that then! so i'm out of ideas! |
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garyclark **
Joined: 17 Mar 2007 Posts: 52 Location: Felixstowe, Suffolk
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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 18:35 Post subject: |
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Nice idea though.
I think this one will remain a mystery.
Gary. |
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Gribble *******
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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 19:44 Post subject: |
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Maybe ,maybe not - do you now have one key for the drivers door and one for the ign ? _________________ 2 New Troopers ! |
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garyclark **
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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 19:50 Post subject: |
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Yes, 1 key that came with the barrel for the drivers door and the original key for the ignition. |
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Gribble *******
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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 19:54 Post subject: |
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Ah ha , so where was the original key when you were fitting the new barrel ? _________________ 2 New Troopers ! |
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garyclark **
Joined: 17 Mar 2007 Posts: 52 Location: Felixstowe, Suffolk
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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 20:06 Post subject: |
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The original key that I use daily was in the house on my key ring.
I have a spare original that is kept in the centre console. Whilst fitting the new barrel I used this spare original to turn on the ignition so I could wind down the window to try and access one of the bolts inside the door.
The key remained in the ignition until the job was finished and is the key I used to try and start it.
As mentioned in my original post, it cranked without starting the first go and then started as normal on the second try just 10 seconds later.
I have used this spare key successfully many times in the past as during the winter I often start the car early in the morning and then leave it running to warm up and defrost. I then lock the car with the key on my key-ring so no-one can nick it!
Hope that helps.
Gary. |
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