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Trooper won't start after changing door lock

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 18:54    Post subject: Trooper won't start after changing door lock Reply with quote

Hi all.
A slightly misleading title perhaps?
A couple of days ago I changed the drivers door lock (barrel) on my 1996 3.1td Citation. It is a used lock from a breaker. The lock works fine but I had a strange thing happen on my first attempt at starting after fitting the lock.
For whatever reason, the car did not start "first time" like it has every single time for the last 12 years, not even an attempt at firing. It was turning over as normal with 2 good batteries I naturally assumed that I had upset the isolator somehow whilst changing the barrel electrics.
However, I waited about 10 seconds, wondering what I might have done and had another go at starting...........success! Very Happy
Ever since that, she has started first time just like always.
So, my question is, why did the car fail to start the first time? Confused
Any clues anyone?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 0:36    Post subject: Reply with quote

Door open drained battery with interior light on
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 3:12    Post subject: Reply with quote

drinksoptional wrote:
Door open drained battery with interior light on


And in ten seconds it charged itself?? Confused  Confused  Rolling Eyes

I would thank the lord it's running  Laughing  Laughing

The big boys might give you a reason Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 8:06    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the replies guys.

Just to clarify, there was a slight drop in battery power due to the drain from the interior light (well spotted drinksoptional) but not enough to stop her from turning over for several seconds, however, Dylan is quite right to point out that there was clearly enough battery power to start her the second time I tried.

Perhaps with the slightly drained battery, the glow plugs didn't quite "do there stuff" and a second go warmed them up some more. I always run them twice in winter (even with good batteries) as that seems to help her start easier.

Thanks.
Gary.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 12:20    Post subject: Reply with quote

did you have both keys together near the ignition barrel?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 12:22    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi.
Yes, both keys on the keyring. Intrigued to know what you are thinking Confused
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 12:26    Post subject: Reply with quote

if they are the coded type then if it picked up the signal from the new key it would then know it's wrong so not start and as it's picked up a code already it would ignore the proper key in the ignition so it would crank but not start, thats my theory anyway. easy to prove by separating the keys holding the new key to the aerial around the barrel then insert the old key and try and start it
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 12:38    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi.
Yes, both keys on the keyring. Intrigued to know what you are thinking Confused
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 13:10    Post subject: Reply with quote

As far as I know the keys are not coded.
Tried what you said and she started as normal.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 18:17    Post subject: Reply with quote

lol not that then! so i'm out of ideas!
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 18:35    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice idea though.
I think this one will remain a mystery.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 19:44    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe ,maybe not - do you now have one key for the drivers door and one for the ign ?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 19:50    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, 1 key that came with the barrel for the drivers door and the original key for the ignition.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 19:54    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah ha , so where was the original key when you were fitting the new barrel ?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 20:06    Post subject: Reply with quote

The original key that I use daily was in the house on my key ring.

I have a spare original that is kept in the centre console. Whilst fitting the new barrel I used this spare original to turn on the ignition so I could wind down the window to try and access one of the bolts inside the door.

The key remained in the ignition until the job was finished and is the key I used to try and start it.

As mentioned in my original post, it cranked without starting the first go and then started as normal on the second try just 10 seconds later.

I have used this spare key successfully many times in the past as during the winter I often start the car early in the morning and then leave it running to warm up and defrost. I then lock the car with the key on my key-ring so no-one can nick it!

Hope that helps.
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