Isuzu Trooper Owners Club UK™

[alwin]

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[Viking]

We have been using bio-diesel in Au for some time. Used fish 'n' chip oil has to be treated first, from what I've read first with NaOH then ethanol. We haven't used heating oil much in Au for the simple reason it's getting rare and is more expensive than diesel!

Biodiesel is becoming more common although I've not tried it myself. Also being trialled in Canberra was diesahol, which has 10% ethanol but I've not heard how that went. Our media went into a frenzy over "ethanol damaging engines" and all the petrol companies took it out (although some of them had up to 20% which will damage some engines).
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1999 Isuzu Wizard
Ebony Black w/Aero Kit

[3.1tdsoundmotor]

Hi, just to answer the guys question regarding running his old fiesta diesel on vegatable oil, i've run escorts and fietas on veggy oil , no probs what so ever, on a 50/50 mix with diesel, in fact I gained more BHP and a higher mpg than running on the pump fuel, The old ford 1.8D engine especially the turbo version loves it.Just now and again run on diesel with some Redex in it, just to keep the fuel system clear, in winter you may notice the engine missing just on start up, give it a few revs and it'll run as sweet as.
One more thing, you'll be amazed how many people say:
" Someones having a Barbeque" as you drive by.

[3.1tdsoundmotor]

oh, one more thing, forget "28 second kerosene" i.e. heating oil, for one thing it has no lubricating properties and another is when running on it, you'll find a big lack in power, also doesn't start to well no matter how you mix it.

[Paul.K]

Hi there, sounds to me like you need to be a bit of chemist to use these various mixes, hubble bubble toil and trouble and all that stuff. I 'll stick to pump fuel no matter how close to £1.00 a ltr it gets. Now if a little cherry was offered?
Cheers
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Paul.K/LuckyTrucker

[Hard1]

Well here's a thing. A bit like the great smoking debate, the Govt are speaking out of both sides of their mouth again. Let's bash the gas guzzling 4X4's for more tax, whilst there are viable fuel alternatives out there. But, where are Govt resources in developing same as a sustainable replacement for fossil fuel? Most likely spent on developing mad strategies for collecting extra tax, tax and more bloody tax on global warming creating rare fossil fuels.

If the bulk of the German war machine could run on synthetic fuel (including diesel) made from shale rock between 1944/45 60 years ago (!) what the hell have they been doing since to develop this further? Nothing

Both Govts and Oil companies are in collusion. They both want our cash.


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[Viking]

A great proportion of Australia's fuel for WWII also came from oil shales, Hard. The mines and plants closed down right after the war, becaues they are dirty and expensive. We still have huge deposits, every time a new mine opens it's closed for various reasons including opposition from greenies and genuine environmental and economic concerns.

I personally support the use of oil shales but is has to be remembered that they need big holes, after the volatiles are retorted there's a lot of dross, and a lot of energy is used to extract relatively small amounts of oil. The South African technology to turn coal into fuel has merit, but we have no nuclear power plants in Au (stupid) so need the coal for electricity generation.
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Ebony Black w/Aero Kit

[Hard1]

I hadn't realised the implications of converting shale rock. Thanks for the skinny, but we can still make bio-diesel from the massive crops of oil seed rape that we grow in Europe - 2 harvests per year. The point of my post is that various Govts in Europe, it seems, are certainly not putting resources into developing these alternative sources. Some years ago, the UK Govt declared that we should all drive diesels because they are "cleaner". Then, they put the price of diesel up way over that of petrol. Now that everyone has pretty much converted to diesel, they want to put an "eco-tax" upon us. Me, cynical???
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[Viking]

There was no encouragement to move to diesel here and the fuel is still more expensive. In fact many 4wders prefer petrol here because the cars usually cheaper (AUD10-12,000) in the case of the Toyota Landcruiser, & the petrol engine is 32v 4.3l V8 gem, too)., with cheaper maintenance and fuel for many petrol is way ahead.
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[Matty]

OK guys let's get some facts into this. Fuel pricing is based on supply and demand. A barrel of crude oil has a certain proportion of Petrol in it, a proportion of diesel, kerosene (jet fuel) then heavy ends. Refineries can split this apart and generally can further split the heavy ends into more petrol or kerosene. Diesel vehicle growth throughout Europe is in excess of 20% per year. European refineries can't make enough diesel to keep up with demand yet are long in petrol. Hence on Rotterdam spot market there is about a 5p per litre differential between the fuels hence the forcourt difference. Europe inports diesel from the USA to balance demand.
BioFuels - the EU have set an indicative target for 2% of fuel to be biodiesel in 2005. Germany have achieved this (by buying most stocks in europe) - UK at about 0.4%. Second target is 5.75% by 2010.

Fuel specs - EN590 (diesel) allows 5% biodiesel to be blended in (without you needing to know). The biodiesel component gets a 20p/l duty reduction so at 5% it is 1p/l cheaper before blending costs (about 2p/l) so hence why Tesco Gloabl diesel at 1p/l more expensive. Rapeseed is the main diesel crop

EN228 (Petrol) allows for 5% ethanol and most Tesco petrol has ethanol in it as does all fuel in France. Sugar beet or wheat are the main UK crops.

The crops for Bio Fuels can only be grown in certain soils in certain climatic conditions.

This industry will grow as the price of crude rises.

Fuel pricing:

Base price 30p/l, duty 45.8p/l then VAT on this total gets you to forecourt price. The base price of fuel in the UK is one of the lowest in Europe. If a retailer makes 1p/l profit they are lucky. Supermarkets loss lead on it. Spend £50 in the shop and get 5p/l off - you think its a good deal. They have got £20 profit in the shop from you and given you back about £1.50 on you fuel...!!

Oil prices will not come down but continue to rise. By 2008 world demand will outstrip the capability of the crude supplies to extract oil. By 2015 China will buy 13.5 million new cars a year (that's half the entire UK vehicle park!!). The CO2 hit and hence global warming doen't bear thinking about.
If you think we will have warmer summers think again, the deserts will get hotter and we will get colder and wetter.

Diesel are better for CO2 than petrol. But we need motor manufacturers to allow greater than 5% blends to be used to help the biodiesel market.

Finally 25% of global CO2 is generated by the USA. The country with the worst CO2 footprint per individual person.....Australia.

Sorry guys but this is the facts.

[Paul.K]

WOW
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[Hard1]

Blimey.
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[alwin]

So ! its back to the Steam engine lads

Any body fancy trying a transplant from a sentinel?
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Alwin

'99 3.0 Duty SWB " best 4x4 by far while it's running"

[frank sucevic]

Crikie

[DAVE FROM NEWCASTLE]

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due to me driveing it to bulgaria and back and still running like new. now liveing in bulgaria