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AD · Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 18:53 Post subject: Bio diesel duty

Ive been looking into running my 3.1 on bio, the trouble is, i totally depend on the troop and if the bio caused reliability issues i could loose more money that i would ever gain Rolling Eyes

I contacted a bio fuel wholsaler and what i have found out is that there is two levels of duty as with diesel 1) highway use @105ppl (approx) 2) Off road use @85ppl (approx).

So i asked if the non/low duty bio was died red like mineral diesel, answer - "no there is no difference in the fuel, comes out of the same pump" Shocked

So i asked if i bought 25l of duty paid and 25l of non duty paid (for my generator of course Wink

) and i put the wrong can in my troop could i get done? answer "as long as you can show a reciept of duty paid bio there is no way testing can prove otherwise" Shocked

If i had more time and less depend'nt on my troop (no buses where i live) i might have gone down the bio route Rolling Eyes

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markymoan · Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 18:55 Post subject:

You got a big genny then Laughing

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AD · Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 18:57 Post subject:

Yes V8 perkins Laughing

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markymoan · Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 19:18 Post subject:

So if you make it yourself you can make 2500L before you pay tax and tax for road use is 20p a litre more than for agri use Shocked

Ask the guy if you can push the button on the machine so you dont pay any tax Cool

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AD · Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 21:37 Post subject:

So if i bought 1000l of agri use bio then say i made it myself i can put it in my trooper Question

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2011 3.0l Hilux Invincible
94, 3.1 duty
95, 3.1 commercial, Agricultural licence
04, 3.0 citation

dxmedia · Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 22:29 Post subject:

the flower man · Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 23:35 Post subject:

this is the wrong advice so please take no notice of what i am about to right. and i oviously dont condone this type of action and would never do such a thing my self but.................................................work out what miles to the gallon you are doing. how many litres of diesel a year baced on your milage. work out how many litres of this would be diesel to keep the amount of bio under the duty level. get frendly with someone that works in a petrol garage and then over the year get reseats from them for diesal that you never had. run bio 100% of the time clame back the vat on the bio @8%. produce the reseats for the diesal you never had and clame the vat on that, dont diclair 50% of the bio as the diesel reseats will cover this. now and again put neat diesal in the tank incase they dip it.
if you get court you will go to prisson for fraud but that is a way around it.
2 clocks in your motor is another Rolling Eyes

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dxmedia · Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 8:52 Post subject:

markymoan · Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 13:25 Post subject:

Cool, a free holiday Rolling Eyes

http://www.hmprisonservice.gov.uk/prisoninformation/locateaprison/prison.asp?id=384,15,2,15,384,0
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dxmedia · Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 13:28 Post subject:

I'd prefer to pay for my holidays thank you Rolling Eyes

Don't mess with the tax man - he WILL win.
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markymoan · Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 13:35 Post subject:

Funny thing is that when I fill up on bio or diesel for that matter, I never ask for a reciept, and it isnt a legal requirment to do so.
So if i did get dipped when running on bio all I can do is say where I got it from (orange pump at thyne st service station)
Its right next to normal diesel and unleaded Laughing

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the flower man · Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 23:17 Post subject:

tax man dont always win mate. trust me. you have to prove somthing for it to stand up in court
what marky is saying is right. difficalt to prove mate but i dont recomend anyone doing it
the best way around any tax is to get an x sival survant to do your books. they are priceless and can dissapear anything Very Happy

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dxmedia · Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 7:59 Post subject:

the flower man · Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:08 Post subject:

like i said, i would not and am not doing any of the above. run my motor on diesel only Exclamation

the police have got better things to do down hear mate Rolling Eyes

my other halfs family are all coppers
all i was saying is with a bit of thought you cant get arount anything but at no point was i sugesting that it would be a good idear or even that it works. just exercising my freedom of speech in a public forum mate Wink

dont tell m you have never thought inercently about ways round paying un just amounts of money to the govenment? with the amount that things cost hear,i think it goes through lots of peoples minds Wink

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