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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 18:00    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doesn't look like the 2.8 in my MK1 or the pics I've seen of the 2.8 Fronty engine, the inlet manifold looks different from both.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 18:06    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a 2.8 rodeo engine from the manual


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 18:10    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looks like its got a front mounted intercooler and doesnt have the egr valves, and god knows what that is at the back  Shocked
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 18:55    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was told its an old 2.8 with the fancy bits turbo, intercooler off the 3.0
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 19:01    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its a 2.8 ok, we are just head scratching about the ancillaries, and what could cause your problem.

Piccy of what it should look like in a 2.8, but as you said your has got all the 3.0 stuff bolted on.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 19:55    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now my 2.8 doesn't look like that, the inlet manifold is different.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 20:01    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 2.8 Rodeo has EGR valves like the frontera, thats why the inlet is different to the UK spec mk1 Trooper.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 5:56    Post subject: Reply with quote

The thing at the back with the pipes missing is a heat exchanger for the egr system, we have something similar on a tractor Wink

The pipes would have been connected to the coolant system but looking at the black sooty marks just down from the pipes could mean this exchanger may be knackerd causing the pressurising in the coolant system that your previous owner mentioned (could have killed the previous engine).

If i am right just remove it and blank it off, may help your smoke Very Happy

The injector pump looks to be a fly by wire type, don't think the original 2.8 had fly by wire, if so then it could have been fitted from the original engine and may not be set up for the replacement engine as they may differ slightly causing your black smoke.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:17    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The thing at the back with the pipes missing is a heat exchanger for the egr system, we have something similar on a tractor Wink

The pipes would have been connected to the coolant system but looking at the black sooty marks just down from the pipes could mean this exchanger may be knackerd causing the pressurising in the coolant system that your previous owner mentioned (could have killed the previous engine).

If i am right just remove it and blank it off, may help your smoke Very Happy

The injector pump looks to be a fly by wire type, don't think the original 2.8 had fly by wire, if so then it could have been fitted from the original engine and may not be set up for the replacement engine as they may differ slightly causing your black smoke.


Are the exchanger's expensive to buy or should I not bother ?

Its got a throttle cable so if the pump was fly by then I would have thought that the throttle should be?

How can I check to see if they are set correctly?

thanks in advance guys
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 19:48    Post subject: Reply with quote

ad is right it is the heat exchanger which ideally should be connected up to keep the temp down other wise they just get hotter and hotter
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 20:51    Post subject: Reply with quote

eithan h wrote:
ad is right it is the heat exchanger which ideally should be connected up to keep the temp down other wise they just get hotter and hotter


Hi there, would this cause the excessive black smoke?

I had noticed if you really hammer it on the motorway the temp guage rises.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 20:59    Post subject: Reply with quote

only if the egr was stuck open
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 21:05    Post subject: Reply with quote

eithan h wrote:
only if the egr was stuck open


Ahh... so if I remove the heat exchanger will i be able to see if its stuck open?


Is there a service manual out there for the 3.0 ?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 21:12    Post subject: Reply with quote

the valve is on the end of it should have a small vac pipe going to it
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 21:16    Post subject: Reply with quote

eithan h wrote:
the valve is on the end of it should have a small vac pipe going to it


if your looking at it is that to the left or to the right?
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