Isuzu Trooper Owners Club UK™

[scot the sniper]

hi Can Someone Tell me If It Is Illeagl To Use bio deisel Plz or If you need to do anything. i have a firearms ticket and do not want to jepordise this if its illeagl

help plz

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[markymoan]

If its purchased from an outlet then its just like buying normal diesel(they sell a blend at morrisons), if you make it yourself then I think its 2000 litres a year before you have to pay tax.
It becomes illegal if its mixed with a fuel that is exempt from road duty such as kerosene/parrafin or red diesel.
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[markymoan]

I got that wrong (the OK side of wrong)
http://customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channelsPortalWebApp/channelsPortalWebApp.portal?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=pageExcise_ShowContent&id=HMCE_CL_000205&propertyType=document

[sbhep]

Its a grey area and not one to worry about too much

Nobody can buy Road Duty paid bio diesel for under 85p

Or if they can please let me know

Most is priced between 65p and 75p depends on quality

This is for off road use only you have to collect it cans and cannot put it into your car at the site

HOWEVER there are no chemical markers like the red diesel

So you could have made it yourself !!!!!!!!!

or bought a certain quantity duty paid !!!!!!!

SO I AM SURE YOU CAN WORK IT OUT

keep your receipt for the road duty paid quantity

should you get stopped afew months down the road

please let dear mr customs know that you have only just poured it into your car

other wise he may think it strange it lasted you so long !!!!

cheers

[markymoan]

Some of us get ours for 75p and it comes out of a pretty green pump directly into the tank.
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[sbhep]

So Marky moan are you saying you get Road Duty Paid bio diesel with a receipt for 75 p a litre

Because thats a bargain ............. the duty alone is . 26 p a litre

that would make their off road bio diesel .49p ltr

and it does not matter how gay the pump looks

by the way are you a 3.1 or 3 ltr trooper man

I find the 3.1 loves it

the 3 ltr takes abit of starting in the morning

cheers

[markymoan]

I think we live in different worlds, the stuff I get is made from 100% used oil collected from local places, so about 12p at most to produce + they sell the 'soap'
Why do you keep banging on about off-road use and your local prices???
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[sbhep]

Do you understand the regulations for bio diesel and the definitions

the purpose you buy it for effects the amount of duty you pay

most bio comes from recycled oil but it costs them alot more than 12 p ltr to produce

here are the catergories and prices the duty makes the difference, this is from our local supplier

www.bioukfuels.co.uk

Biodiesel (road use duty paid) 99.9 p for vehicle use that is used on the public highway legally

Biodiesel (off road use) 79p for vehicle use off the public roads or agricultural use

Biodiesel - Heating fuel 74p........... for heating

Biodiesel - Generating Fuel 74p......for generators

best not to say much more about the duty and purpose you bought it for

there is no difference between any or tha above it all comes out the same tank

THE REASON I BANG ON IS TO TRY AND TELL YOU HOW TO AVOID A BLOODY £1,000 FINE IF YOU GET PULLED INTO
A CHECKPOINT BY CUSTOMS

Its what you say to them that counts

Yes we move in different worlds

I drive about 35,000 miles a year mostly towing

and get waved into vosa and customs checkpoints at least 6 times a year in various locations around the country

YOU probably only do 5,000 miles a year and have never been pulled in for check

So in the next message I will be Mr Customs and Ex

you can anser my questions

[sbhep]

A quick fiction game of sample questions for Marky Moan to give simple fiction ansers to

Hello Sir do you mind if we take a sample of your road fuel ??

your anser.....

I see its bio diesel where did you purchase it ??

your anser.....

Did you get a receipt ??

your anser.....

Can you remember what price per litre you paid ??

your anser.....

For what purpose did you tell the suplier you wanted it ??

your anser.....

Did they allow you to put it into your tank ??

your anser.....

Or did you fill cans ??

your anser.....

Sorry sir i must caution you that bla bla

You have commited the following offences each has a £250 fine

Can you pay now sir, if not I am affraid we will have to take your vehicle

IF ONLY I LISTENED TO THAT BLOKE BANGING ON ON ITOC I WOULD HAVE GOT AWAY WITH IT

cheers

[markymoan]

Only 6 times a year  
Pretty slack your way  I take it you dont get visits then  
Sorry, my brother owns a transport company and clocks up about a million miles a year, my other brother is transport manager for the towns council transport service (They use bio   )
I only drive about 3k, my chauffeur drives the rest.
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[markymoan]

Just to add, Morrisons sell B30 which is 30% Bio, are people expected to keep the reciepts??????
Most people dont even want one when they pay cash  

Sooooo

Vosa man: mmmm bio, where did you get it
Driver: Morrisons
Vosa man: JEESH they charge the same for normal Derv there, why bother  

There is a local garage that has B100 on the forcourt along with the other pumps but he charges £1.10 a litre unless you drive a taxi  
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[smoo]

As a user of  WVO and Bio,  I can tell you from experience, that the Dipping crews have no concern in plant derived fuels.  As long as your tank is 'red free'  they are simply NOT interested.

A few friends have also been dipped ...........the dippers showed more interest in how it is made / how the car runs on it than anything else.

[DAVID's J99P]

I have to agree with Smoo, I have had my works Tranny pick-ups tank dipped about 1/2dozen times in the last couple of years.
We have a very large scrap yard a few hundred yards from our office so police assisted customs officers often setup camp and pull anything
that remotly resembles a diesel motor. two plod take a side each, tyres, lights and load a 3rd takes your details, whilst customs suck some fuel
up a tube, if it's red your in the *beep*, if it's clear/white they squirt it back, then as long as plods happy your away and they set about the next one.
Not once have I ever seen them check diesel type other than by the colour thats sucked up the tube "Red or Not-Red"
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David ltm47

[sbhep]

So marky

Your brothers and your chauffeur will understand what i was saying

and not telll me I was banging on

and even you seem to grasp it now ....... although its not the VOSA man its customs and excise man

BACK TO THE QUESTION

yes your safe and legal on Bio regardless of the source, and purpose it was sold to you for

provided you do not admit to an illegal act

hence me banging on about on road off road use

so the anser to a tank full of bio I bought at bla bla garage on the forecourt at £1.10 a ltr

no i do not save my receipts

you can not say morrisons because they can tell % of bio or diesel

cheers

[markymoan]

The point is that they dont care or check, and anybody running trucks would be stupid to buy without a reciept as fuel is running costs and deductable.
We as private users can use/produce 2500L a year without the need to provide proof, if you buy the 65p untaxed stuff and throw a litre of veg oil/diesel/petrol  in then you have produced the final product.
But seeing as they dont care then there isnt much point  
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